So Cindy Watts didnt attend her sons wedding. I mean are you for real? Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. Did you watch Chris Watts sentencing hearing? Locked post. Then there was a totally separate event an engagement party thrown by ShanAnns maid of honor Nichole Canady, which his family had zero part of. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Maybe they are a bunch of people with personality disorders, but even people with personality disorders have their reasons to do bad stuff and even justify every bad stuff they do. JAMIE left numerous times after high school and would always move back home. What a shitty thing to do. Dear God so many people have been affected by this horrific disaster. Theres no such thing as all good or all bad. That day had to be hugely significant in her life because the father of her own child wasnt around, and because her own father then and there wasnt exactly father of the year, in fact for the previous months hed been threatening to divorce Cindy Anthony and that meant they all might lose the house. Other than wanting to see a trial, its difficult to see him other than as a very tarnished and very pathetic character. She was scapegoat because she established boundaries. I feel like he thought hed have better chances of getting away with it after that is if he took his kids life away too. To me, all they wanted to do was save his life, just save his life. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as theyre published. Theres people who believe Chris is a good guy, there are people who believe hes a monster, and then there are people who understand the complexity of the human condition and what might drive a person to a psychotic break which I think is exactly what happened. They jabbered on and on and on AND THE WHOLE THING WAS CAUSED BY THEIR GOOD-FOR-NOTHING SON!!!! Youve heard of divorce, right? Although she deleted her account shortly after posting these comments, I do believe this was likely Jaime Williams attempting to defend her brothers character and reputation. Shanann herself fed CeCe Thrive bars with nuts in them, but it was coconut which isnt considered a true tree nut. Copyright 2015 - 2021 Original Media Group Corporation. The sister Jamie said she couldnt get off work to attend the bridal party events prior to the wedding. His father worked as a Parts Manager for a Ford dealership. And his father enabled it. Their behavior spoke volumes. When a person commits to being a bridesmaid, that includes showing up. She didnt take away my son, I dont own him. Its so difficult for me to fathom not getting along your, Ill just call it same-sex in-law because it happens in both cases. only a fraction of the reality? We know in the months leading up to the murders, for Fathers Day [June 17th, 2018] Shanann posted pictures of her father on her wedding day. I think that Chris wanted to save face. Mothers Day fell on May 12th. You were, you were, she was just, she was you, Cindy cried. National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. The Watts Family Tapes will premier onFacebook Live Oct. 23 at no cost. It was a very pretty shower. His actions will never be justified. Not sure what more she wanted in a daughter-in-law. It was hard on his father when he CHRIS left because his father was used to him CHRIS always being around. Unless you have ever been victimized by a narcissistic toxic family, you really have no understanding of the level of dysfunction happening to the targeted victim. This was supposed to be a beautiful time in Shannans and Chris life. You were made for something else. SW would have been smart (and kind and generous and all those other nice qualities she did not display toward her husband) in acknowledging how important CWs family was *to him* and making a strenuous effort to include them and build a friendly relationship with them. We have a great relationship because of that. Divorce would have left them all with new lives. bothered him. He should get death penalty. What he did was deplorable and disgusting beyond belief. Ditto, Nan. What memories [and resentments] might this have triggered in Chris Watts two months before the murders? God is watching. But to restrict somebody and cut them off of their family is wrong. And the whole time Shannan is dealing with this, Chris is cuddling back home with another woman. Chris Watts 2012 Speech on Communication Speech, Relationship Deterioration and Repair; Chris Watts grew up somewhere on this road on the outskirts of Spring Lake, North Carolina. What if just *one* of them would have decided to be a bigger person and make nice for the sake of Chris, whom they both loved? No, none of us are. Ronnie blocked Shannan from Facebook. I wouldnt. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. She didnt stir the shit enough was her problem. You usually tell that person and give them the option of asking someone else. Were all just people. We dont have to like or even try to get with *in-laws*.there could be many reasons behindWhy. In 2019, Chris neighbor spoke out about what he saw the night Chris allegedly murdered his family. So she travels to give them medicine or treatment. Chris Watts was done with his wife and children so he slaughtered them. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. Two camps. She looks so peaceful, so solemn.. Shanann was trying so damn hard to film a happy family moment, even calling out Poppa or Grandpa. Chris parents never looked back at her, waved or said one word. She was you. His mother worked as a secretary and notary for a used car dealership. This subreddit is to discuss facts, speculation, and evidence. These people dont even mention the precious children that their son killed WORST GRANDPARENTS EVERRRRRR!!!! That isnt even what happened. I agree. You sound like one of those men who spend a lot of time online whining on about women. Total narcissism. It wasnt about killing his inner child but resurrecting it. Chris Watts with his Sister Wife, Children & Relationships Chris met Shanann Watts in 2010; she was an independent representative for a multilevel marketing company called 'Le-vel,' which is focused on selling the wellness product called 'Thrive.' There cant be a reason or any underlying dynamic leading to murder, nor can there be any premeditation. He dumped their bodies like garbage. And the nut allergy was something that may have been just one more thing that served to accentuate the obvious animosity between Shanann and Cindy. If Chris Watts had simmering resentments, then the enmity between his wife and his mother could only have turned on the heat even further. That probably did not help the situation in any way. In 2019, Watts told author Cherlyn Cadle, who penned her explosive book Letters from Christopher, If I had not met Nikki, I would never have killed my family., The Colorado native allegedly tried to cause Shanann to miscarry their son Nico, giving her the powerful painkiller Oxycodone, after Nichol told Watts she wanted to give him his first son.. Its still not unlike other families and interpersonal relationships between MILs and DILs in so many marriages. His mother made him a monster. THAT is what Shanann was dealing with. We won't post to any of your accounts without asking first. Shanann was the dominant force, definitely not Cindy. This suggests Mothers Day and Fathers Day in 2018, in the Watts home, were hugely significant milestones, particularly with a third baby on the way. Both these families, had multiple discord amongst them all. Havent you held a grudge against anyone, ever? Shanann just stepped in his moms shoes and his mom, like any toxic mother-in-law, was threatened, and didnt go to their wedding. Chris had CeeCee on his shoulders and Shanaan was walking next to them. Then to as far as I am aware, there was a baby shower, that Cindy and Jamie had for Shanann, I,ve seen pictures of it. That had nothing to do with it. I just read that: But Shanann accused them of tampering with her food. 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Due to lack of knowledge. But couple all those angry feelings and then having to pay attention to 2 toddlers and work a taxing job, have a wife who is not really a good match for you who wants to separate you from your familyif he wasnt the type for this kind of lifestyle I could see how that would drive someone crazy. I didnt get all with my In Laws at all. We just love you. To be honest, I firmly believe Shanann thought she was above all, when in reality she wasnt. Also apparently Frankie receiving death threats and some really nasty messages.. ago. Whats more, Cindy Watts, 64, claims her son has immense public support noting she doesnt care about the murders. Bitch excuse me?? The Petersons were fairly wealthy when Scott Peterson was born, and he was spoiled and treated like a Golden Child. They dont usually kill their spouse if they want to move on, nor do they normally kill a spouse they like. The families involved have interesting, if not dysfunctional, dynamics going on. For more information, please see our Chris Watts. He killed his family because he wanted a new life with his mistress not because he disliked his wife. Trinket doesnt say much, does she? \"Featuring Chris Watts, His Parents Cindy \u0026 Ronnie Watts and Sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, who - until now - managed to remain the MOST SECRETIVE and SILENT FIGURE in terms of the two families sucked into this case thus far.\"Chris Watts Playlist:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVxQLTsXwHrd3TjIHmOWhCKbuD07llQ6ZThis video is for educational purposesDon't forget to Subscribe:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5c1crGPtnf3ZJ5TKWl918QSubscribe to my new vlog channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHOYcyT3bHfeEh4n65C1TYQ/Become a Patron:www.patreon.com/JimevaCrimeTime SW couldnt be responsible for doing *everything* to make a friendly relationship happen!, yes, she could. Do I think Shanann was a saint? You can have a nut true allergy to only one tree nut. Cookie Notice Even though Ive written three books, I feel weve barely scratched the surface, and I think theres a great big pile of skeletons still stuck in the closet. WHY???? just wanted to know about anyone elses theories :). That said, Im not sure I understand the camp [besides the family] who are championing the cause of Chris Watts. Its practically unheard of unless family is estranged and in this case I dont think any of them were. His father would not use physical discipline, but would raise his voice. How could she be so without human empathy that Chris Wattss mother says its okay if he killed Shannan? The WCNC reporter says a word in response to the no-show by the Watts family at their sons wedding. Yes, Shanann had a problem that Chris mother deliberately chose to feed her little girl some that could KILL HER. Didnt attend what? I also do not think it is uncommon for a person to choose a spouse who mirrors the opposite of their personality. Let me end with saying that I dont know what happened that night, but I think that its a tragedy we can all expect to learn from. Where the hell is she in all this? There is right, and there is wrong. CW had tended to side with Shanann against his mother until not long before the horrendous murders. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it. Thats what they all do play victim. One of the primary activities at a wedding is to enable the two sides of the family to meet and get to know each other. I saw an interview with one of Chris Watts former mistresses, not Nichol but the one before her. After after she is brutally murdered along with her children, her husbands family is waging a smear campaign against her and trying to salvage their own public image. I have a daughter in law, in my opinion the greater onus is on me to get along with her. and our Jump to Sections of this page Estranged from the family? No excuse for murder none at all. Shannan would have gone down with a fight if she were awake. I think the whole family dynamics, along with the extended family, was just very toxic. The fact that he had several affairs while married essentially leading a completely double life which would include a lifestyle of lies to cover his tracks, speaks volumes to his character but I digress. Archived post. Perhaps he was trying to save his daughters from the madness he knew he had for a long time. Hate to say it but Shanann emasculated him verbally a lot. Two camps appear to be forming, those who support Chris Watts [in some way], and those who side with Shanann [as the innocent victim]. Scan this QR code to download the app now, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-chp2Xo5Xo. No need to be angry at me for trying to understand the family dynamics. It falls apart even further when you consider he didnt only kill Shanann, but terminated the pregnancy and also killed his own children. 2021 Original Media Group Corporation. Agree with all of the above. Sure gets ones mind in thinking mode! His despicable family took up more time than anybody. According to sources in the know his sister and mother are behind this awful Facebook page and people from it send horrible stuff to shananns parents and police are aware and are investigating. I have been able to skim through the 2,000 pages of investigation notes. Look no further than his parents, especially his gum chewing, cold mother, to learn what made him a heartless, narcissistic, arrogant psychopath. I think over time with the unsettling dynamics in the house, Chris immediate family, her family, Chris parent, sister, all full of animosity towards each other, bothered Chris. Cindy didnt kill anybody. THAT DOES NOT GIVE CHRIS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE DID. I carry grudges. I, too, am interested in knowing more about the family dynamics, characters involved and MLM influence. On that day Shanann posted a picture of her own mother for Mothers Day, gave credit to her husband for getting her the perfect Mothers Day gift, and also posted a cartoon dedicated to all the important women in her life but nothing on Cindy Watts. We didnt attend because Shanann and I just couldnt get along. Hold on. Am I the only one that finds it strange that Jamie is a respiratory therapist? I watched the doc on Netflix, and I think theres a lot going on that no one will ever know. Cindi is truly an evil psychotic person. Perhaps they also didnt think that it was that serious? What if he married Shanann because, in some strange way, she reminded him of his mom? Over time her actions ,her treatment of him, his parents. Whatever amount of attention Shanann wasted on this family was to much. Her Thrivinga bomb waiting to go off. While Chris parents have been vocal about their son, his sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, remains silent. This blog is meant to make only passing commentary of numerous issues and insights. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Cindy said they didnt go because she hated Shanann even back then, and was angry because Chris would not obey her wish for him to stop being with her. She left a bag of pistachio nuts down on a low shelf, within reach of a 3 year old. My Sister's Closet Suzanne Singer Mr. & Mrs. William . If its true that the sister deliberately didnt mail out the invitations then shame on her as that is just wrong. Likewise, Chris has a sister named Jamie Lyn Williams. Yet another Watts fan club rumor. This is because Chris Watts is a psychopath, a monster and a narcissist nothing more. I see a lot of people saying there are two camps in response to this and there really arent. The conversation spiraled out of control when Cindy claimed 3-year-old Celeste was a spitting image of her father, who brutally murdered her. I dont care what you did I love you so much and thats all there is to it!. Chris Watts got flowers for me yesterday for fun, Shanann Watts says on Thanksgiving Day. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I think it looks foolish for her to write the book with her mother denying illness and allergies while being in the health care industry. At the very least, he may have felt theyd be inclined to forgive him given their own difficulties with Shanann, and certainly, Ronnie Watts has already told the media, If hes guilty, I can live with that.. But I dont live my life on Facebook and/or get my emotional validation and ego strokes online. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Think of Ahab and Jezebel from the Bible. Shananns brother cared about everybody, saying he thought he had a brother, but Chriss mother cared more about making excuses for him than what he did, Shananns brother Frankie was charged with child abuse in 2015 or 2016. Shanann got the wrath that was really meant for Mom-Watts. After Chris admitted to the murders, Ronnie and Cindy each gave statements to the court. Too bad it took 4 lives, 4 innocent lives to find out what a monster he was. They appeared to be walking through an open mall cafes, shops the sun was setting. At 58 seconds in the clip below Cindy Watts seems to have made peace with the fact that her son killed Shanann: CINDY: He did kill her uh[chews gum]but for the kids, no. I think in a way the denial phase is actually over, meaning shes had 3 months to process it, and now shes starting to fight. Every time he sees a wedding photo, he remembers it wasnt quite the perfect day the photos suggested it was. I agree there are basically two camps one pro Shanann and one pro Chris. She even printed a special t-shirt for him to wear on Fathers Day, and took a picture of him wearing it. She was, she was you and I know its so hard for you. Inside edition= Fake News. Yes, I can understand that Cindy might be in denial but I cannot understand her lack of compassion for Shanann -even after her death, Cindy acts like her daughter-in-law deserved it. CW parents were considered safe and good enough to babysit for up to a fortnight while Cw and Shanann were staying at places like Punta Cana. She should have wrote them ALL off from day one. It wouldnt surprise me if Cindy Watts talked to Chris after the nut explosion and said Look, I am so sick of Shanann and those girls, if you dont divorce her or just get rid of her then I will tell her about your affair. All anyone needs to know is that his youngest daughter died, begging for her life, and he brutally killed her anyway. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 2022 Circle of Friends Donors . I continue to be intrigued with the Lev-el MLM and their (or perhaps Shananns?) Well that maybe true according to Cindy however please explain the 80 bridal invitations that never got mailed in the attempts to embarrass Shanann with no one showing up. Shanann was always in control. She had many faults within herself. Watts confessed to brutally murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, and children Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. He went gray rock very early on in life to deal to cope with his mother. JAMIE was the rebellious child in the family. You are the first person who has suggested this. The prison exclusive also showcases Watts sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, who managed to remain the most secretive and silent figure in terms of the two families sucked into this case thus far. And learn about all teh times they bashed Shanann in front of her and behind her back. A community to discuss the murders of Shan'ann, Bella, Celeste, and Nico Watts, who were murdered by their confessed killer, Christopher Lee Watts, now serving 5 life sentences at Dodge County Correctional Institution on Waupun, WI. They had intended to go but felt they couldnt after this. He killed 2 children and one unborn, what more do we need to know why? A pregnant woman in her 15th week, just getting home at 1:48am from a business trip, who was already in the separation process, isnt going to snap and kill her two children. I want you, then, if this is your decision, then you get in there and make something [inaudible]. Do you hear yourself? Quite a start huh? She doesnt show up for critical, life-altering-for-immediate-family court dates either, does she? Chris Watts 'rebellious' sister Jamie drops 'Watts' - Was loved by Chris Watts Wife TV NEWS 1.38K subscribers Subscribe Share 20K views 3 years ago #ShanannWatts #ChrisWatts #Thrive Chris. But Cindy seems to have been quite down to Earth, simple and practical, and Shanann none of those things. Certainly Chris's sister, Jamie, didn't. Jamie had kept well out of Chris and Shan'ann's life for years, since they'd kicked her out of their wedding, in fact. I dont want him to take this plea deal. Does anyone know if she's ever made any kind of public statement or opinion? Did Shanann know too? Happy Thanksgiving 2017: Shanann Watts makes mini cannolis. The sister wanted to get involved in the wedding planning nad volunteered to do the invitations. Cindi should never have tried to expose CeCe to nuts. There can also be a rhyme and reason to insanity, and its true crimes mission to find those rhymes and reasons. They already proved that chick to be a fake. I think you might be spot on. How could they be this stupid. Your Content is a Proud Electronic Service Provider for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. The prison exclusive also showcases Watts' sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, who managed to remain the most secretive and silent figure in the saga. Learn about the nut incident that happened when Shanann took the girls to his family for a visit. She was far to good for them. I do not condone the murders but i can see why this terrible disaster happened. If they got along great, then thats a possible theory. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. the person who gave him the oxy had to be in his family since he said hed take whoever it was to the grave. Nothing special. This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. I also dont think she would have said she would tell about his affairs. That only happens when youre not serious about the wedding. Ironic it wasnt shanann who destroyed her son, this mistress is more involved than she tried to say, it was more her that helped destroy Chriss life, she didnt do it but telling him immediately to pawn her rings? This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. What pictures did you use for the service? Watts asked his mother during the explosive one-on-one two-hour special. Theres nothing to really uncover of why he would have killed his wife! The scenario where Chris saw ShanAnn killing the girls wasnt Chris own idea originally. Thats ridiculous . Article continues below advertisement Records show Nowak made. and our Despicable And completely typical Narcissistic behavior. Would you let a child rapist babysit your kid? His father struggled with substance abuse after he CHRIS moved out. Im not going to name them. My thoughts are just that its a pretty big deal not to go to a wedding so it would be interesting to get all the facts. 20K views, 82 likes, 21 loves, 980 comments, 173 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from Your Content: Featuring Colorado Killer Chris Watts, His Parents Cindy & Ronnie Watts and Sister, Jamie Lyn. At 1:27 in this video link, Cindy Watts says it so quickly its easy to miss it completely. Jamies husband has worked hard getting his job. Thats it. If only his wife had a clue he was this dangerous, she could have had a fighting chance to get away from him. Surely that will be dealt with harshly at a later date. Privacy Policy. That argument falls apart when you consider Shanann and Cindy didnt get along. He never expected to be seriously challenged because everyone liked him and Mommy thought he was perfect. No way his mother would have said that crap. Asking her mom about shanann not loving Chris etc. Chris Watts' "photographic memory" provides a unique window into his mind, and his psychology. They were heavy drinkers. He had dead eyes as a lad. Granted I was only 15 when I married but I was married 20 years but we still had a great relationship until she passed, and I have 1 daughter-in-law and its the same way. Right now doing everything they can, it-it just scares the living crap out of me knowing its come to this. She completely shut me down. His father, Ronnie, chimed in adding, If he didnt kill the children, I want him to face that and let them prove it.. Zoom in on his eyes. God bless those poor victims. I get she had a problem and took offense to moms attitude toward the nut access, but to go on a Facebook rant was a bit much, imo. Expect a lot of aggression and animosity from the Shanann camp. I just wished you would have talked to us more.. Cindy and Jamie teamed up to place nuts on the table. 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Or if youre a woman, you have submitted that youre trash as a woman, from being subjected to those men who spend their time making youtube videos saying they dont want women, but instead of leaving women alone, they spend their time trying to make women feel bad, The WATTS family that were inlaws to Shanann, all THREE of them, give all in laws a bad name. Everyone closely connected to this dreadful situation seem v strange, So not so sure about your Rzucek normal family scenario. So, Shannans reaction was on point. She was human and had flaws just like all of us. I had a wonderful mother in law and I take from her how to treat a daughter in law. Its been nearly three years since Chris Watts pleaded guilty to murdering his pregnant wife,Shanann Watts, and their two daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, but his family still isnt convinced hes a killer. If this is indeed his sister, she knew about his affair with Nickole Sessinger prior to the murders. I think he hated Shanann at the moment he killed her. Privacy Policy. You can have a nut true allergy to only one tree nut. Thats all I mean. That has got to hurt, though, if Chris Watts and Shan'ann's big day was all about Shan'ann, and Chris' family weren't even there. No one would attend if one of their kids got thrown out of the wedding. But opting out of some of these cookies may have an effect on your browsing experience. And they can record all they want.. Shes fighting because its her son. o His father worked as a Parts Manager for a Ford dealership. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. For me, this revelation enmity between Shanann and Cindy Watts reminds me of two aspects in two other cases.
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