followed by the surname I was looking for. My dad (kit #A401371) matches your kit #A206179 on Chromosome 20, 7.2 cM. 143 Mannor of Lisvingston 13 September 1712. . posted up in alphabetical order. Doris contacted me after reading an article I wrote about X chromosome mapping and said that she had identified the parents of my Barbara Kobel who I had mentioned in the article as an end of line person in other words a brick wall. England became desperate to get rid of this group of people they hadnt wanted nor invited and who couldnt support themselves. . Destinations include New York (1708-1766). 1700 German Palatine Migration to America 1709 January 31, 2022. In 1709, when the Palatinates were living at St. Katherines by the Tower, a beautiful church and hospital were locatedthere as well, known as St. Katharines Church. A Committee dedicated to coordinating their settlement and dispersal sought ideas for their employment. ), whom that devoted minister of the cross, the Rev. Robert Wagner Warner Jr. 644 S Sutton Rd, Streamwood, IL 60107 (708) 733-7750. two folio volumes, clearly written and bound in undressed calf are the statement When the fleet of eleven ships finally reached New York in June, they had been on board for six months. Some worked on surrounding farms. St. Katherines is between the Hermitage Park, where Im standing in this photo, and the Tower Bridge. journal, as it is called is divided under the following headings: "The I did upload the DNA of my dad, my brother, and myself to GEDmatch several months ago, at the request of a relative. He was a bonded surveyor 1761-1769 in Augusta County, Virginia. One Suder has apparently tested, and no Sonssts. WebPalatines in North America In 1710, three large groups of Palatines sailed from London. Limit 20 per day. Always informative and superbly written. (E) Soldiers in Canadian Exposition of 1711. Roberta, I have spent so much time working on AtDNA that the Y is totally new to me.I did test at FTDNA and my results were R-M269 and my surname is Sheaffer I thought I may be able to contribute since you specifically mentioned Johann Peter Schaeffer (born c1640). Beast Masters will be able to add an exotic pet to their collection in the form of the Magmasnail. She published the list in an Appendix to: Frank Diffenderffer extensively documented the origins, reasons for leaving, escape routes and living conditions of these Palatine refugees throughout their journey: O'Neill and Hatcher prepared a study of the 1709ers who settled in Ulster County, see Ulster County, New York Immigration. Chris, The 1709ers German Palatinates 52 Ancestors #137, http://www.americanancestors.org/StaticContent/articles?searchby=author&subquery=Marian%20S.%20Henry&id=351, https://sites.google.com/site/sjzscertainfolksandevents/the-curious-life-of-simon-siron, https://www.facebook.com/groups/1688860294729114/, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/palatine-dna-project/about/background, http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/palatine, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/palatine-dna-project/about, https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/272283. I like to think that some favor I paid forward just got paid back. Im trying to confirm/rule out the surname Schaffer as that of his 5th great-grandmother. My 7th great grandfather was one of these Palatines. Daniel Diefuh and Maria Barbara with two children were at Beckmansland about 1716/1717 [Semmendinger Register]. If he was, how he and his family evaded deportation is bothunknown and miraculous. Hunter's account against the Government for the subsistence to the NEGHS has some great info as well On my fathers side my grandmothers parents were mostly derived from Palatine immigrants. On entering the fertile, charming valley in New Jersey, which is drained by the meandering Musconctcong, the Passaic and their tributaries, and having reached a goodly land, they resolve to remain in what is now known as the German Valley of Morrison county. Well, here I am having just discovered the 1709s and that my husband appears to have been descended from the Kuntzlis and Islers of the New Bern group. Other researchers look forward to new entries on this board, so please don't hesitate to send in your Palatine and Stone Arabia ancestors. They lived some time at German town, and in the vicinity of Philadelphia. The Germans, being unjustly oppressed, became dissatisfied both with their treatment, and with their situation. I dont think his origins have ever been found in Germany, so I would be willing to pay for one test for a continuous male line descendant so we can make the project more meaningful. Thank you for your comments. Here they were exposed, without protection against their many foes, for five years Not one of them entered the promised paradise. desire for a more complete list of those Palatine emigrants who settled in Relating to The Early Palatines and the First Settlers in the 14 days during which time they had little or no provision. There are apparently 8 people with the Egli surname who have tested, but the only one I could find in any project was from France. of the records there with the result that the ledger accounts of Governor I have one family line who arrived in NY with the 1710 Palatines no idea whether they came from the Palatinate or from a neighbouring area, but I might be able to find a male descendant to test. . Birth Mar 29 1718 Roberta, In 1765, upwards of six hundred from the Palatine Book of Names (Hunter Lists #263) was married that same day to his second wife, Maira Huts were constructed and after a period of quarantine, they moved up the Hudson River valley 100 miles to seven camps. They departed the 25th December, 1709 and after a six months' tedious voyage reached New York in June, 1710. Please be mindful that autosomal DNA tests are only reliable for the last 4 or 5 generations. My 5th great grandfather is Melchor Engle 1720-1760 vfrom Palatine Germany. Check the Rhonebeck and Poughkeepsie libraries for important genealogical collections. John Conrad Weiser and other Palatine soldiers and families move to strengthen ye garrison at Albany, for the protection of the citizens against the French & Huron Indians. Categories: Palatine Migration | Palatine Ships | Province of New York, Immigrants from Holy Roman Empire, WIKITREE HOME | ABOUT | G2G FORUM | HELP | SEARCH. Palatine To meet the high demand shipping firms contracted for extra ships. Their attempts at agriculture were therefore restricted within a very narrow compass, and the settlement of the adjoining country was retarded until the French power and influence in Nova Scotia were subdued. for Researching German Palatines, List Bremen, a village in the same county, and Frankfort, in Waldo county, were undoubtedly laid out, or settled by Germans, as the names would indicate. Interactive Map; Research Guidelines; Simmendinger List Governor Hunter's Ration Lists for 1710-1714 German Immigrants to NY 19th Century Emigrants from Central Franconia East and West Camp, New York I cant thank you enough for taking the time to reach out to me with the key to breaking down this brick wall. This German colony received accessions from time to time until they reached, prior to 1745, several hundred families. Another relative, possibly a nephew of this Jacob, a John Albright, left Pennsylvania and migrated with several families, one being a Jacob Martin. You can view the grouping of men that match, in yellow, below. You can find it under Geographic projects. From this area on the Thames near St. Katherines, you can see Tower Bridge, locatedbeside the Tower of London. After hearing of the problems that The Germans were having in the Albany area; Mr. Franklin facilitated an offer between William Penn and the Settlers, being offered up to 100 acres each of free land for settling in Pennsylvania. I am so thankful to have even more information on my ancestors! Unfortunately, however, family genealogies range in quality from superb to horrifyingly bad. Their job was to tap the pine trees for their pitch, which was to be used as caulking on English ships. Early Weidner families who arrived in Pennsylvania in the 1700s, Kusel (Pfalz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany) Families, Swamp Lutheran Church burials, baptisms, marriages 18th century, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatinate_(region). This is likely Jacobs mill creek. Towards the end of the 17th century and into the 18th, the Palatine region was repeatedly invaded by French troops, which resulted in continuous military requisitions, widespread devastation and famine. And the remainder I did not know that!!! This WebOverview. Schenectady in 1690 was destroyed by a force of French and Iroquois Indians from Canada. https://sites.google.com/site/sjzscertainfolksandevents/the-curious-life-of-simon-siron. Here this small colony erected some huts or long cabins, to serve temporarily as shelters. By Sarah Fitzpatrick, Tom Winter, Ken Dilanian and Michael Kosnar. . Jones, Henry Z. Jr. and Annette Kunselman Burgert. At the time it was all I had known about my ancestry. in West Camp but no mention is made of those in East Camp although it is known With all of the frustration and disappointment, I just wanted to cry. Prior to 1754, Wendel Braun, and his two sons, and Frederik Waltser, located four miles west of Uniontown. Players will show growth and development and the new rookies and free agents are going to show what they have Theres A LOT of other great historical information besides specific family info. It is was something of a surprise to find the the Ketzebach line were Loyalists and went to Canada just prior or during the Revolutionary war period. On one of these lists, Daniels name is spelled Thevoux. My fathers DNA results are linked to mine and that is how I know it is in fact from his lineage and most likely this line. We spent the most wonderful afternoon with this gentleman and he took me directly to places that were on no canned tour. This ancient Fitzgerald castle has been completely restored and is occupied by the O'Driscoll family. Check the credentials and reputation(s) of the author(s). The 1709ers would have worshipped in this church that was by that time already nearly 600 years old. Were they Celts or Saxonsor maybe Huns before they were Germans seeking refuge? Germany to England to New York to Wisconsin and in the 1940s to California. Prior to 1871, what is now Germany consisted of a number of separate states such as Wurttemberg, Prussia, Bavaria, etc., whose boundaries changed frequently as a result of war and other causes. p. 1965. My maternal grandparents were Lasher/Loesher and Finkle/Finckel. 4 July 1710: +2 It is their form of diminutive. Box 776 Old Saybrook , CT 06475 Tel. My ancestors, the 1709ers, camped there and I wanted to visit that area or at least see it from a distance. through this collection of data from many sources, you will find a piece of the puzzle :-) By Sarah Fitzpatrick, Tom Winter, Ken Dilanian and Michael Kosnar. III gives a census of those in New York, also those that you are working on and that may lead you to further discoveries. The LDS lists it here, where you can view one collection online which details the Wagner, Dillenbeck, and Staring families Hi Roberta, They however, changed their minds and established themselves in the asylum for the oppressed, Pennsylvania. The redevelopedpark where Im standing,is located in the area between the green St. return to Home Page return to NYC return to New Jersey . doriswh@gmail.com. I was so very grateful to Said for taking me to where my ancestors camped. . This was just the beginning of the tidal wave. He died in 1737. They settled in (I canr remember off the top of my head what the county was called at the time of their migration, so Ill say this:) what was known as Orange County, NC. 1712 A physician wrote: I wish you the recovery of your health and a better neighborhood than the palatines, which I fear have infected your pure air. p. You might find this particular churchbook online or among the collections at Kinship, Rhinebeck, NY. I am interested in identifying his family in Germany. The county was formed in 1752 from parts of Bladen County, Granville County, and Johnston County. They eventually settled in the Schoharie area. WebList of the First Palatines to London England 1709. mind the difference between primary and secondary sources and the importance of building a Heads of Families of heads of Palaten famileys and number of Persons in both Towns on ye west Thank you. In 1723, some thirty-three Palatine families, dissatisfied under Governor Hunter's rule, migrated from This does NOT increase the price you pay but helps me to keep the lights on and this informational blog free for everyone. In this, too, he failed. Mr. Ehle has arranged them in alphabetical order and indicated Maybe one of the other people who have replied can help out. At lunchtime its teeming with people in business attire from the office buildings. WebAmong the important lists of names are the following: (1) The Kocherthal records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths, 1708-1719; (2) Palatine heads of families, from Gov. WebJune 14th: 2,600 Palatines, driven from their homes by the ravages of two wars and religious persecution ( the Palatinate is along the Rhine river ), arrived at Nutten Island ( Governors According to a lecture by Dr. George Schweitzer, a highly regarded genealogical researcher, ship owners were very actively recruiting German settlers to the colonies at this time. Purysburgh in 1747, contained more than one hundred houses tolerably well built. Our ancestors and related families are in red: TOP ILLUSTRATION: A rare document showing signatures of the Palatine listmasters, from 1712. Also includes names of Palatine children apprenticed by Governor Hunter, 1710-1714. I met the author at a conferencee soon after she published it. These did not stead them very long, the hoped-for supply of funds from America was delayed, and the poor unfortunates were imprisoned for debt. As a descendant of more than 50 1710 Palatines, I am always interested: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/palatine-dna-project/about/background. Ancestry has a large database of users for their DNA project but they are behind in the tools they offer to look at matches. p. In 1740, those who had remained, left Georgia and joined their brethren in Pennsylvania. In the fall of 1709, one hundred and fifty families, consisting of six hundred and fifty Palatines, were transported, under the tutelar auspices of Christian De Grafferied and Ludwig Michell, natives of Switzerland, to North Carolina. Aug. 12th: Daniel Thevoz, ege 24, with his wife, a son aged 6, and a daughter aged 8, were among the first arrivals in England, according to the London Lists. All rights reserved. I have "A History of Herkimer County" by Nathaniel Soley Benton, "Early Families of Herkimer County New York" by William V.H. WebNumber of employees at Police Department Of Palatine in year 2017 was 109. Various influences were brought to bear upon the increase of the influx. I followed it this way instead of back. May 1, 2023 7:30 am CT. . for 4 days subsistance distributed. You can still read St. From this point, the Germans have spread into Somerset, Bergan and Essex couties. My sources for Johann Friedrich Haegar are: 1) US and Canada, Passenger Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s, an Ancestry.com database indicating he came to New York in 1709; 2) he is also listed in American Immigrant Minister, 1690-1811 by Gerald Fothergill, also found on Ancestry.com; and 3) The German Element in the United States, Vol 1, chpt 4, The First Exodus-The Palatine Immigration to New York. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. You can see them behind Saids car, waiting patiently for me to get my ancestor-fix. Sadly, the publisher of the book Im looking for is permanently closed. Henry "Hank" Jones, FASG, is the leading authority on these immigrants. Cheers Some Mennonites coming from the Netherlands, settled along the Pakilmomink (Perkioming) and Schkipeck (Skippack) a few years later. Its such a joy to help break down someone elses brick wall and to introduce them to a new aspect of their family history. 1 pp. His home still stands where I found tons of info by searching Those not designated Daniel married the second time as Daniel Thevoe, a widower of Switzerland, 27 Feb. 1711, to Maria Barbara Kras, wid/o Frans Poore (New York City Reformed Churchbook). Prior to 1770, the wilderness of Pennsylvania was penetrated beyond the Allegheny Mountains. Large German settlements had sprung up at different points within the present limits of Montgomery and Berks counties. The intent is to determine any interrelationships, foster family reunions, and enhance our understanding and knowledge of our own origins and history. Whats the best place I can compare DNA in order to find Gertrudes family? Mr. Jones summary at the start of his books has even more details about what they suffered in Germany, the years in transit, as well as after arrival in the American Colonies. Some perished on ships. Numerous men descended from that family have done y-dna testing and they came back haplogroup C-M217 almost unheard of in Europe and best known for its possible connection to Genghis Khan! Similar heading for 4 days 28 june to this day. (The Huns were a mixed group including Mongolians, according to tests done on their remains in Europe and they actually got as far as the German Empire.) The project seems to be managed by WorldConnect.org now and Im not even a member and cant be under their rules. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/272283, I initially ran across this newspaper at Fulton Postcards here All of this new development activity would mostly benefit the English businessmen that already owned considerable acreage. . Governor Hunter resorted to violent measures to secure obedience to his demands. .91 days from 26 March. Johan Peter Wagner is my relation and his story is Palatine Roots by Nancy Wagoner Dixon 1994. See this short essay by Alicia Crane Williams for advice on evaluating the citations in a genealogy. You can see, on the current Google map below that the entire neighborhood was replaced by docks. I would invite and encourage any Kobel (or similar spelling) male to join. My mother is T167724 and she clearly carries more Schaeffer DNA than I do. Jones, Henry Z., Jr. "Some Newly-Discovered German Origins for the Palatine Families of New York-1710,", Remember even original sources may be wrong, Use family traditions as guides, never gospel, Follow your intuition as well as your intellect in genealogical searches, "List of Germans from the Palatinate Who Came to England in 1709,". These are palatines who settled in NY State. Unreasonable as it may seen, it was this class of Germans, that were so much feared, "whose numbers from Germany at this rate, would soon produce a German colony here, and perhaps such a one as Britain once received from Saxony in the fifth century.". Deborah. The Irish Palatines The majority case where residence is known as follows: E---East They wielded the mattock, the axe and the maul, and by the power of brawny arms rooted up the grubs, removed saplings, felled the majestic oaks, laid low the towering hickory; prostrated, where they grew, the walnut, poplar, chestnut - cleaved such as suited the purpose, into rails for fences - persevered untiringly until the forest was changed into arable field. Barbara Heck's old home is (1996) occupied by the family of Walter Ruttle, a Palatine descendant and a member of the Irish Palatine Association. This Swiss settlement formed the nucleus, or centre of a rapidly increasing Swiss, French and German population, in the Eden of Pennsylvania. Although 6 notations are given in the journal, only two are given here, 1710 and 1712. The tide of emigration from the continent of Europe was strong. Hello cousin. Limit 20 per day. On the day of our arrival, after finally finding our hotel, walking from a train station pulling heavy bags, we discovered that the travel agent had not made the reservation for the correct days. Similar heading 4 days 1st July to this day. kindly service on the part of Mr. Ehle is duly acknowledged by the Enterprise Many of the migrants who lived near each other in New York, came from the same hometowns in Germany. At the same time you can ask to join the Facebook group: Palatinate German DNA and Ancestry. In 1765, upwards of six hundred from the Palatine and Swabia were sent over from London and had a township of land set apart for them. The third of the parent colonies, ,is the place where the most famous Irish Palatines lived. This gives a wonderful historical background to what they endured. I too descend from Jost Henrich Schaffer http://doriswheeler.org/p133.htm#i3962 and many more Palatines. Doris Wheeler. Dickinson, the Michigan star who entered the transfer portal last month, will visit Villanova Hunter himself had returned to London to recoup his fortune. Hudson~Mohawk~Schoharie The first went to Ireland, the second to Carolina and the third to New York with the new Governor, Robert Hunter. Mannor of Livingston 24 December 1711. . The many posts here with resources and stories speaks to the continued interest. He had left Hoffensheim-Sinsheim. In the meantime, while those were transported to North Carolina, and to New York, three thousand six hundred Germans were transfered to Ireland; seated upon unimproved lands in the county of Limerick, near Arbela and Adair; others, in the town of Rathkeale, where their descendants still reside, and are known to this day, as German Palatines, preserving their true German character for industry, thrift and honorable dealing. (No explanation is given when there is one set of numbers regarding the cause, death, flight, etc.). . Jones, Henry Z., Jr. and Lewis Bunker Rohrbach. Of the large number that came to England, in 1708 and 1709, seven thousand, after having suffered great privations, returned, half naked and in despondency, to their native country. WebPalatines (Palatine German: Plzer) are the citizens and princes of the Palatinate states of the Holy Roman Empire, controlled directly by the Holy Roman Emperor. If you currently live in Germany and believe a brother of your ancestor was part of the 1708-1710 Palatine Emigration, you are a great candidate for our project. Jacob Cobels wife was Anna Marie Egli and they had daughter Maria Barbara after their arrival in the US. Thank you so much for this interesting article on the Palatinates. 1985. After 1716, Germans, a few French and Dutch, began to penetrate the forest or wilderness - some twenty, thirty, forty, others from sixty to seventy miles, west and north from the metropolis. Dickinson, the Michigan star who entered the transfer portal last month, will visit Villanova on Friday. Actual passenger lists have not survived for these ships, but some have been reconstructed using other records. Still, Id much prefer to test someone from my own proven line, just in case. That religion became what is known today as the Evangelical Church of America. In Europe, they too had been the victims of bloody persecution. Several thousand had embarked for the Silly Islands, a group south-west of England; but never reached their intended destination. This devotedly pious band of Christians was accompanied by their attached pastors, the Rev'd John Martin Boltzius and Israel Christian Gronau, and an excellent schoolmaster, Christian Ortman. Dixon, Nancy Wagoner. Camp. History of New York, Vol. I may speak to my Lasher and Finkle cousins to see if any of them are interested. Most proper names and nouns ending in li are Swiss and not German. The information about their time in England is much appreciated. The 1709 London Census of Palatines was published by The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society. Finally there is a new organization that is bringing together German genealogy groups from around the world. Christening May 1718 I have also posted it on our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/PalAmNewYork/. Palatines hereafter named for themselves and their families Subsistence, Debtors Over the following three years, more than two thirds of the Irish Palatine settlers left Ireland [Note from me: reluctant to pay rent, angered by landlords and reception of some R.C. This will give you better tools and access to people who have tested with other DNA companies (FamilytreeDNA, 23andMe). Here they laid out the flourishing town of Lundenburg. By summer, some were moved to the fields and barns of Blackheath and Camberwell, now part of metropolitan London. About 470 died on the journey. In a short time the colony consisted of three hundred persons. Strassburger, Ralph Beaver; edited by William John Hinke. The Kau-ta-tn-chunk (Kittatiny or Blue Mountain) extending from the Delaware hundreds of miles westwards, was not an insurmountable barrier - that they crossed and laid out farms where shortly afterwards they, their wives and children, were exposed to the torch, hatchet and scalping knife of the savages, and their midnight assault and slaughter. They still speak the German language. My spouses ex is a Palantine descendant (Abraham Defoe, Christoph and Henrich Ketzbach, Johann Georg Reiffenberger lines). locations are from the census reports in Doc. I love these old brick streets too. To posess this, in Louisiana, on the banks of the Mississippi, several thousands left Germany in 1715 and 1717, under the leadership of the notorious John Law, who instead of bringing them immediately on their arrival in America, to the promised Eden, on the banks of the Father of the Western Water, landed them on the pontines (transcriber's note: land bridge) of Biloxi near the Mobile. 5/1231. He had a daughter with her, who also came to NY. .N. Other Palatine families Im descended from include Feg/Feck, Koch, Helmer, Hilts, and Dornberger. PALATINE ROOTS:THE 1710 GERMAN SETTLEMENT IN NEW YORK AS EXPERIENCED BY JOHANN PETER WAGNER. July 4th: Life was bad and getting worse for the German families. (Then An incredibly well kept secret. p. service can be imagined and not only those living today but those who will Someone will benefit from the database in future research, Im sure. p. I believe that there were 39 families that came with Mr Weiser, following the head waters of the Susquehanna River, to Swatara Creek at modern day Harrisburg PA, and they followed the creek and went and additional twenty some miles and settled what is known today as The Tulpehocken Settlement. It turns out my only Muller ancestor was another Palatine. WIKITREE PROTECTS MOST SENSITIVE INFORMATION BUT ONLY TO THE EXTENT STATED IN THE TERMS OF SERVICE AND PRIVACY POLICY. Luanabee, I cant help you with the book but I have some suggestions for DNA research. Henry Z. Jones Jr., "Some Newly-Discovered German Origins for the Palatine Families of New York-1710,", WeRelate contributors, "Source:New York Genealogical and Biographical Record (New York Genealogical and Biographical Society)," in, The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Source:New_York_Genealogical_and_Biographical_Record_%28New_York_Genealogical_and_Biographical_Society%29, https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/index.php?title=Palatine_Records_in_the_United_States&oldid=5050552, Jones, Henry Z., Jr. "Emigrants from Laubenheim, Germany, to New York in 1709/10,", Jones, Henry Z., Jr. "Some Additional Discoveries on the German Origins of the Palatine Families of New York,". I too descend from Jost Henrich Schaffer http://doriswheeler.org/p133.htm#i3962 and many more Palatines. Ive just forwarded your post to my friend Garry Finkell, president of the New York State chapter of the Palatines To America. Compiled and Arranged by Lou D. MacWethy of Palatine Families Remaining in New York 1710. Several such wells are to be found in the locality but some have been partly filled in for safety purposes. The western part of it was combined with the eastern part of Rowan County to form Guilford County. It may help me finally breach a brick wall that has lasted about 100 years! .91 days from 26 March. Dickinson, the Michigan star who entered the transfer portal last month, will visit Villanova on Friday.
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